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Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/17/2017 6:52 pm

AKG
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And the studies I cited present a challenge to the statistics you cited. I have many more to show otherwise which show racialism or racism is a problem(you really think basis statistics aren't biased or skewed in some way). Going by your standards for left-liberal research I can dismiss the dailywire(its' probably BS as Shapiro's an idiot and interpreted/skewed for the sake of conservatives) statistics until I do further digging(which I will). This is kind of ridiculous as you make a strong(absurd) claim that racism isn't a problem in the west and I show you studies which show otherwise,and actually do take into account things like crime rates, etc, but then you say you don't what to dig further into this and won't bother to look at my evidence for ad-hominen reasons, and are just going to stick to your  viewpoint.  Do you really think that countries with racist histories and laws/practices which ended fairly recently wouldn't have some sort of lingering effect on those marginalized or was everything magically fixed when Civil Rights movements won? Also and thanks for reinforcing my viewpoint on conservative uselessness.

For the rest of your points I'll come back later after more digging.











 

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/17/2017 5:45 am

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Jeremy the reasons you offered are centered around"because the left". I say conservatives have a problem with racism, you say there is no problem of "racialism" or whatever that is and say its just the left over-reacting. I say conservatives have a tendency to show more uproar at neo-nazis being silenced, you say because the left aren't doing anything about other "bad" people on the left doing the same thing or the left will shut down their views.  And so on. If I weren't Muslim I'd make a drinking game out it.

Regarding your claim racism isn't a problem in the West studies and analysis show otherwise. I'll use America as the primary resource: 

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/frisk9.pdf(shows racial bias in police practices)

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854(shows bias in police killing towards black people and the probability of it)

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2016.303575(which also shows this and responds to the Ryers study which attempts to show otherwise but even the Ryers study found that : '"On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police."

And I don't know what you mean by the FBI saying white supremacist are low-level threats or engage in low-level crimes as they had this to say: "the FBI and DHS warned that white supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement” and that these groups “likely will continue to pose a threat of lethal violence over the next year.”(full summary here: 
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/14/fbi-and-dhs-warned-of-growing-threat-from-white-supremacists-months-ago/)


So it seems to me we don't live in conservative lalaland where everything is peachy keen.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/15/2017 6:55 pm

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First of all. Not a leftist or a liberal. I just hate racist shit.

At Daniel. Well I said it's nihilistic to let someone just say/do whatever they want no matter how harmful it is. With regards to rational dialogue I just don't think its effective when dealing with fascist as even if you can show its wrong there are people who will forsake reason and just go with whatever they want to believe. That's why we still have creationist, climate change deniers, New Atheist, and racist. The Civil Rights Act wasn't just won through rational dialogue only.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/15/2017 5:14 pm

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So basically conservatives blame the left for everything. Neat. I feel the conservative issue with racism will never go away at this rate. 

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/15/2017 4:46 pm

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Well by doing that conservatives aren't helping their case.

I wouldn't say I'm arguing against philosophy in general at all. I'll be frank. Thinking we can have rational dialogue with fascist/Neo-Nazis/KKK etc is supremely naive. How can we hope to have rational dialogue with them as their moral principles are directly opposite and there is no common intellectual ground? As for this whole freedom of society thinks, freedom should not mean to say/do whatever you want no matter how harmful or destructive it is and that's a pretty nihilistic idea of freedom. We need to have some standards or otherwise civil society is a goner.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/15/2017 3:38 pm

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This thread brings up another point. Why do conservatives get more angry/make a big show  at say a neo-nazis/white supremacist/racist etc getting shut down or whatever yet whenever other people like minorities face injustice/trials, the only reaction is "eh" or don't seem to care.

Also I think there's an overestimation of the effectiveness of rational dialogue. Who expects giving scumbags a platform will rationally change their views through reasons as most of their reasons are fundamentally irrational, and won't listen to reason.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/15/2017 6:04 am

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I changed my mind again. Conservatives in general are useless against racism.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/15/2017 12:19 am

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Ok then. Just wanted to make sure you're anti-multiculturalism or mass immigration wasn't rooted in some belief in "white genocide" or something. Also when I said "hypocritical" I was referring to people like that in general.

One last point. Isn't it strange how Trump refers to people marching with Neo-Nazis as "fine people" yet NFL players peacefully protesting as "sons of bitches". I wonder why.


 

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/14/2017 7:23 pm

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What do you mean by restricting immigration and how? I'll be frank I really hate this idea as its ironic as the country which colonized other countries now wants to prevent others from coming it. Kind of hypocritical.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 10/14/2017 6:43 pm

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So as an example what do you think the opposite of multiculturalism would like in say the US?

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