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Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/30/2017 11:19 pm

AKG
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Can I have my account deleted? I don't want to be associated with (for the most part) right wingers.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/21/2017 2:57 am

AKG
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A good society should take care of its citizens and make sure people have equal human rights. It should have good values of course. But if your society has "traditional values" but you blithely tolerate injustice towards certain members of the community for the sake of said values (like yourself) something is wrong. You don't have to get of religion. There doesn't need to be a conflict with this and religion. But some changes need to be made. Just ask MLK, Malcolm X, etc (have you READ any of their works and seen maybe if their ideas fit with "traditional values").  

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/21/2017 2:12 am

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How deep exactly is your devotion to these "traditional values"? You wouldn't for example think that 1950's America was great because they had the "family and traditional values" despite the Jim Crow Laws? You wouldn't agree with this right?: "In September, Roy Moore held a rally in Florence, Ala. One of the members of the audience, an African American, asked Moore when he thought America was last great.“I think it was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery — they cared for one another,” Moore replied, according to the Los Angeles Times. “Our families were strong, our country had a direction.”

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/18/2017 12:35 pm

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Wow, Etzelnik. If you actually read about what human rights are you would know surveillance/profiling of groups based on the actions of some DOES violate human rights(it also doesn't work in the US BTW). You seriously lack empathy of the struggles of Muslims or other groups. If you really believe what the right endorses are merely "material consequences" then you are just ignorant on the plight of others. There's a reason why a majority of Muslims in the US despite not agreeing with the left on everything aren't siding with the right and won't be any time soon. Even hardcore ultraconservatives Salafis(except Saudi Stooges) aren't willing to endorse the American Right or align with them. Perhaps there is a reason for this. Or there are all just Judas's as you claim. You're using the same kind of tactic with religion that slave owners used to guilt African-Americans to stay as slaves(not that you care anyway) based on the "principle". 

You at the end of the day only concerned with yourself and only see Muslims as tools to advance your own agenda. What are you going to claim next? That the Palestinians children killed were "noble sacrifices" for a "greater good"?

You conservatives in general are almost cartoonishly sociopathic in your disregard for the plight of others for your own gain. I really HATE you guys and that's not hyperbole.

 

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/15/2017 1:24 pm

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@Nojoum

He said no. Of course he did.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/15/2017 11:08 am

AKG
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That's not relevant. Still based on your commitment to profiling then you would have no issue with the scenario I proposed right Dennis? It's a simple yes or no question.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/14/2017 11:30 pm

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First question I should've asked. Who here has actually STUDIED race issues, sociological theories of race, social justice movements, and other things like this which are relevant to the topic in a serious manner.

@Jeremy

When you include the bit with Farage's family, that pretty much indicates you're trying to incite sympathy for him. Again I'm not sold at how terrorist running around isn't a threat to the political fabric of anything. I mean like I said Farage can still speak as he is a powerful politician with security, and those leftist won't do any serious injury to him. 

I said I'm not socially liberal, I didn't say I was socially conservative either. And yes those guys know I'm a Muslim. That's not relevant now(I know what you're trying to do and it won't work). When I say you value principle over people I mean you're willing to overlook current injustice for the sake of maintaining conservative or "traditional values". Question have you seriously studied "identity politics" to make your claim about it?

I'm asking if they were worse in medieval west yes. 

The guy I'm talking to is a Hindu and he said for the "most part" they were terrible, and I'd agree. He knows his stuff pretty well based on our past interactions That doesn't mean everything is fine now. Y'know just because Jesus(PBUH) or Muhammad(PBUH) according to your view weren't interested in egalitarianism doesn't mean we don't have to as Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and others demonstrated(all adherents of traditional religion and you haven't shown me why their views can;t be reconciled with traditional religion)

@Etzelnik

Trump want's a Muslim registry and extra surveillance. Sounds like a violation of human rights. Also he's is overall antagonistic against Muslims and spreading awful rhetoric about us which is spreading Islamophobia and so are 99% of conservatives so it would be beyond idiotic to side with them based on overlapping values.  They clearly don't want us so why the hell shou

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/13/2017 12:11 pm

AKG
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Yeah, I'm gonna take everything you said with a massive grain of salt.

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/11/2017 4:12 pm

AKG
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Sure I did. I'm just doing what you Trumpers do to everyone else. Judging the actions of some by a few. 

@Etzelnik.

There have been multiple studies showing the ineffectiveness of profiling and extra-surveillance of Mosques. They do not work at all. It should be scrapped. The travel ban won't work and it's just Trump fulfilling his idiotic promise to his idiotic supporters of banning the "scary Muslims). The situation in America is not like in Israel which is why it has not been proposed nor will work as studies have shown

What you're proposing is utter insanity. You're telling me Muslims should vote for people aiming to take away their civil and human rights simply because of their "principles", and it's a "sacrifice" for the greater good (again your dismissing what's at stake)? That's not a sacrifice, that would be utter sociopathy. It's like a Black christian voting for the KKK simply because they are christians over say an atheist Democrat. You're arguments are exactly like those who told black people in the past to tolerate jim crow laws/slavery as they were "introduced to Christianity, or disrupting the laws would dismantle society and it's values, etc". Focusing on the principle over human lives is sociopathy, nothing less. 

You're regret means nothing if you still support heinous actions. It's like slave owners who "regretted slavery" like Rober Lee but still had slaves and treated them horribly. Like I said you care about Islam as a principle not actually Muslims.

Also you haven't answered this:

"Also this is for a lot of you guys in general such as Jeremy, Dennis, Timocrates and now Etzelnik but stop dismissing the struggles of minorities, Muslims etc and saying the discrimination, and trials they have undergone are merely about "hurt feelings".  Also you do not show sympathy for these group yet expect sympathy for your own and expect your struggles to be taken seriously when you don't take the struggles of other seriously? Why should people like

Practical Philosophy » Conservatism and Racism » 12/11/2017 2:40 pm

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Tim, it's only fair you answer my questions as I answered yours as you yourself said. Answer or are you the real "hot headed anarchist"?

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