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6/19/2017 6:34 pm  #21


Re: Role of prayer in Christian thought

nojoum wrote:

The reason for mentioning the dictators: The mere fact that you have power does not earn you any respect. Absolute NO respect. I respect and honor God not because he is almighty but because he has a loving nature and he is just.

 

I think we are on the same page here but saying that just because God has no obligation to answer my prayer He is like a dictator is stretching it to far.

nojoum wrote:

The reason that I did not accept your original post is that you failed to mention that God is kind enough to answer your prayers but it would be better for you if he ties everyone's prayers to each other. 

Yes it would be better for sure and I agree.

nojoum wrote:

Let's say God has no obligation to answer our prayers. Why should he then care if we are a community or an individual? In any case he can ignore us and there is no moral consequence for him. I actually now a have good reason to avoid church because either case God is not obliged to answer our prayers.

He cares because being in a community is a higher good for an individual and God's Love is your highest good.

nojoum wrote:

But that's not how I think.
If God wants to claim that he is perfect in terms of loving, then he has to answer our prayers in a perfect manner (it does not mean that he has to provide exactly what we ask but provide what we exactly need) (this is just a logical reasoning).

I think you are mistaken here, God does not "want" to claim that He is perfect in loving. He does not want or need anything. He does however shows His Love to the world through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.

nojoum wrote:

For how can you claim that your loving nature is perfect and yet do not perfectly address the needs of human beings. God has the choice not to answer, but once he makes that choice he loses his title as the perfect being (at least in terms of Love). So since everyone agrees that God is perfect, then from his perfectness we know assuredly that he will answer our prayers.

Note: But I am putting the bar of perfectness too low. Because if God provided us what we need even before we ask him, it would mean that his love is more perfect and indeed to me he does that. He does not wait for me to pray to him.

God does not need for your or me to give Him the title as a perfect being. He would have been Perfect even if no other being ever existed because of who He is.

 

6/19/2017 6:41 pm  #22


Re: Role of prayer in Christian thought

I think we need to have a chat on Discord. It would be way easier!

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6/25/2017 8:30 am  #23


Re: Role of prayer in Christian thought

I have sent you a PM Jason.

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Today 1:37 pm  #24


Re: Role of prayer in Christian thought

Jason wrote:

I think we are on the same page here but saying that just because God has no obligation to answer my prayer He is like a dictator is stretching it to far.

 
 
Of course, I did not mean that; I used exaggeration to get my point across.


Jason wrote:

He cares because being in a community is a higher good for an individual and God's Love is your highest good.

Sorry my choice of words was not clear. I meant that he would not be still obliged to answer the prayers. But then are you suggesting that God is obliged to bring forth the highest good which would can happen in a community? And If God is indeed obliged to do so, could you please provide the reasons as well?
 
Or if he is not fully obliged but more obliged compared to the individual, again can you give me the reason? Because then probably we can argue that if the more something is good, the more God is obliged to it, then probably there is a certain good that God is fully obliged to it.
 
 Besides, this would also bring another issue, how big the community should be? At least we can see the bigger the better. So, does this mean God does not even answer the entire catholic church since they don’t encompass the entire human beings? They do not even contain all the Christians.

Jason wrote:

I think you are mistaken here, God does not "want" to claim that He is perfect in loving. He does not want or need anything. He does however shows His Love to the world through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.
God does not need for your or me to give Him the title as a perfect being. He would have been Perfect even if no other being ever existed because of who He is

Sorry again for my poor choice of words. If God is to qualify as the perfect, he is forced to act in a certain way one which is to provide the needs of the human beings in the perfect way. So if that means that he has to answer my every prayer, he has to answer it if he wants to qualify as a perfect being. If that means to answer the prayers of the community, he must answer their prayers and so on. So in the same way, if sacrifice of Jesus was the best possible good which, he had to do it.

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