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You mean between the blog and here or two places here?
Sorry. I meant between here and Ed's blog. Just noting potential side effects.
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We have a fantastic opportunity. Ed's obviously overloaded, and he looses interest very early in the combox. What we can do is filter all that additional conversation away into an environment better suited for multi-person conversation, and leave Ed's combox for people trying to talk either very directly to Ed or to *just that article*.
I mean, right now, let's say to want to get lost in a side issue or relate two posts or a post and some outside material. You better hope either Ed knows what you're talking about and has the time to get to you *or* his audience does and they keep up with you in the long rambling combox trail where nothing is moderated, searchable, archivable, and no one knows anyone, etc.
I mean, ideally, Ed would have his own forum, but he doesn't, so here we stand.
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I've never seen Ed answer lots of comments. I don't think Ed answering is really what his combox is about, but admittedly I'm used to the "long, rambling combox trail" which could, I suppose, lead to miscommunications by making discussions harder to follow in some cases.
Ed does moderate, by the way. He swoops in and deletes posts. The moderation is just purposefully kept very light (you can see where he made the decision back in the early days of his blog). I like it. It seems to lead to less hesitation before posting and thereby more and better conversation, or something like that.
But speaking as someone interested in topics that Ed doesn't post about as frequently, like universals and the metaphysics of modality, I look forward to being able write about those topics with less worry about possible threadjacking.
I also liked some of Daniel's suggestions, which would have looked odd implemented on someone's blog.
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I can follow the combox trail- because, god help me, I just barely remember usenet -but it's a hard place to talk if you're not acclimated to it, and it doesn't facilitate cross-reference very well. For instance, I wanted to look at all of your posts the other day, and there's no *simple* way to do that.
What was it Daniel said? I didn't catch them.
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Gentlemen,
Sorry not to be very proactive atm - I've got a flat move due on Tuesday and am currently sitting amidst piles of boxes and even more piles of books waiting to be sorted into boxes. Once that's done I'll be free to engage with things.
Btw, yes if Ed would give a link in his next Links of Interest post it would be very helpful indeed. Getting people aware of a potential place for discussion can be tricky (I've very rarely seen a good philosophy forum sadly).
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What was it Daniel said? I didn't catch them.
I was thinking of this quote (from here):
Failing that even something [...] where every couple of months we all decide on a book to read and discuss it afterwards. Or even just an essay maybe - that way we could just share it around in PDF form so people need not worry about massive costs.
Though, he may have just been lowballing. Still, there are a lot of good philosophy of religion books, of which I would have never even heard if not for conversations online. There is so much literature, sometimes it's hard to [even hear] of it. But I'll leave it to him to decide if this is something he's still interested in.
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What was it Daniel said? I didn't catch them.
I was thinking of this quote (from here):
Failing that even something [...] where every couple of months we all decide on a book to read and discuss it afterwards. Or even just an essay maybe - that way we could just share it around in PDF form so people need not worry about massive costs.
Though, he may have just been lowballing. Still, there are a lot of good philosophy of religion books, of which I would have never even heard if not for conversations online. There is so much literature, it's hard to keep track of it. But I'll leave it to him to decide if this is something he's still interested in.
I have easy access to pdfs of many books (even Fesers) so long as no one cares about how I get it. Avoiding cost is not hard for me in most cases.
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What was it Daniel said? I didn't catch them.
I was thinking of this quote (from here):
Failing that even something [...] where every couple of months we all decide on a book to read and discuss it afterwards. Or even just an essay maybe - that way we could just share it around in PDF form so people need not worry about massive costs.
Though, he may have just been lowballing. Still, there are a lot of good philosophy of religion books, of which I would have never even heard if not for conversations online. There is so much literature, sometimes it's hard to [even hear] of it. But I'll leave it to him to decide if this is something he's still interested in.
Things are a bit busy for me at present but I'd definitely still be up for it. Made we should wait till we've a few more people involved though? Of course it would be necessary to ask around and reach a decision re the choice of book beforehand otherwise we'd all end up going off into our specialist subjects and leaving others perplexed. I was thinking of Stephen Parrish's God and Necessity though that might be a bit techincal - the Gerson Plotinus would be another option. As I said I'm flexible on this.
The only reason (not sure if I should be posting this here) I mentioned essays is because I have access to a lot of E Journal archives so can share round PDFs. With the essay approach I was thinking of selecting a few essays on a certain topic to be read together and discussed - say for instance if we decided on a Divine Necessity theme we could do Findlay's Ontological Disproof, Schrader's Antinomy of Divine Necessity and Leftow's article on subject (this is just an example).
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Things are a bit busy for me at present but I'd definitely still be up for it. Made we should wait till we've a few more people involved though? Of course it would be necessary to ask around and reach a decision re the choice of book beforehand otherwise we'd all end up going off into our specialist subjects and leaving others perplexed.
It's up to you. My only input is that it ought to be about classical theism. Several others here are almost certainly better informed about classical theist-related and philosophy of religion literature than me.
One of the things you said you wanted to accomplish was to get more people reading authors like Scotus, right?
It may be worth checking the old scholastic bookshelf for ideas, too.
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I also agree we shoud separate this forum from Dr. Feser's combox, partly because we don't want to take away from his thriving combox discussions. This should be a place for wider Classical Theist and traditiona religious orientated discussion, and for discussing things that would be clearly off topic in a particular comboxes of Ed's. If people want to discuss Ed's articles close to when they are released, that should still be doe at Ed's combox.
I like Daniel's idea of sharing and discussing essays, though I would think many contemporary essays have a copyright (as much as I don't really think intellectual property should exist) that means they aren't allowed to be broadly shared, so we would have to focus on older ones.
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