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Introductions » Hey folks » 4/16/2016 8:41 pm

Hello there. What are the nuances to your Evangelicalism?

Chit-Chat » People who Avoid Argument » 4/11/2016 11:16 am

I think it would be a major slight to get with a friend's ex if they aren't entirely over that person. That's a recipe for jealousy. You said "former friend", though, implying contact has been cut, so it shouldn't be a cause for complaint in that case.

But we're talking about serial monogamy and/or casual sex, so no one should be doing that sort of thing on the first place. 

Theoretical Philosophy » Mackie's Queerness argument » 4/10/2016 8:21 pm

iwpoe wrote:

That's not very charitable. :-P

 
Is it wrong, though?

Theoretical Philosophy » Mackie's Queerness argument » 4/10/2016 8:05 pm

It goes like this:

1. Objective values contradict philosophical naturalism.
2. I (Mackie) am committed to naturalism.
3. Therefore I (Mackie) am justified in not believing in objective values.

Introductions » Hello, forum » 3/30/2016 9:00 pm

Jeremy Taylor wrote:

I must say I'm very much in the camp that sees the divisions between Oriental Orthodoxy (and the Church of the East) and the Eastern Orthodox/Western Church as mostly a matter of terminology and emphasis. But, yes, I would probably prefer Eastern Orthodoxy.

 
It's a good deal more complicated than that, as shown by a recent move against the doctrine of theosis among the Copts, including by the last Pope, and, at the same time many Orthodox are extremely positive about closeness with the Copts, the Copts in the main appear to prefer to move towards Rome.

Introductions » Hello, forum » 3/30/2016 8:17 pm

Jeremy Taylor wrote:

Definitely not offended. There's no Western Rite Orthodox Church close to me. The closest Orthodox Churches are a Coptic one and a Serbian one.

 
Seeing as the former are schismatics, I shall have to recommend the latter.

Practical Philosophy » 'Pro-life' and 'pro-choice' » 3/30/2016 6:24 pm

Greg wrote:

Well, I think that the context 'pro-X' is ambiguous. The naive reading (which culture warriors sometimes tendentiously adopt even though it's clearly wrong) is that someone who is pro-X thinks X is unqualifiedly good and worth promoting all the time. Generally the terms don't mean that. Pro-lifers don't think there is an obligation to increase the population size as much as possible; they also don't think that all lives (like beetle lives, say) have to be protected the way human lives are. Similarly for pro-choicers: they don't think anything that is a choice is good and beyond critique; perhaps some would say that all choices, qua choices, are good, but I doubt many would say even that.

There's no rule for how someone who is pro-X regards X; 'pro-X' will just be a label that identifies people as subscribing to some set of principles and bearing such and such commitments. Once we know what X is, we might be able to generalize a bit about what those principles and commitments are, but the relationship will be culturally relative, since 'pro-X' is a label of convenience.

Yes, you're right.

Greg wrote:

People who are pro-choice are pro-a-certain-kind-of-choice. 'Pro-abortion' is an appropriate label, I think, even for those who regard abortions as a somewhat unfortunate thing; they do favor permitting abortion when there are others who would like to see it eliminated. I don't think 'pro-abortion' is really a pejorative label, though, because I don't think the context 'pro-X' has any consistent set of rules associated with it. In other words, it is not necessarily the case that X is to pro-X as Y is to pro-Y.

 
In theory, no, it isn't a pejorative, and yet, it is, so much so that very few people are willing to apply it to themselves, and they'll get offended if you do so. That ought to be a clue as to the moral status of abortion, eh?

Introductions » Hello, forum » 3/30/2016 6:00 pm

Jeremy Taylor wrote:

I'm a Platonist first and foremost. I also was an Anglican, but I left because of all the nonsense (and a dawning realisation that the Anglican Church never was English Orthodoxy - but was always split between those more inclined towards Orthodox and Catholic positions and Calvinists and other reformers). Now, I'm basically without a Church, but just a follower of an English Christianity rooted in the preformation and, even, pre-conquest English and British Christianity. In many ways my spirituality is closer to Orthodoxy than Protestantism or even the Roman Church. But I must say I am one of those snowflakes who is most interested in Western rite Orthodoxy, because I feel very attached to British and English Christianity - I still have a lot of respect for some aspects of Anglican, whether high church or more middle of the road, from Cranmer's liturgy to Dr. Johnson to the tractarians.
 

 
I didn't mean at all to criticise the Western Rite. Please forgive me if I came across that way. I'm interested in it as well, but it isn't available to me where I live. No matter; I have what God has given me, and it's more than sufficient.

Are there any Western Rite Orthodox parishes near where you live? If so, you should definitely pay them a visit and have a chat with the priest. Failing that, the Byzantine Rite is also magnificent, and there is absolutely no incompatibility between it and the west. Just remember, the trick is not to make God English, but to make Englishness Godly, if you follow. 

http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/hp.php

"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must also be Eastern. The West was Orthodox for a thousand years, and her venerable liturgy is far older than any of her heresies."

+St John Maximovitch (whom one will also find known as "the Wonderworker", "of Shanghai", and "of San Francisco"

Practical Philosophy » 'Pro-life' and 'pro-choice' » 3/30/2016 3:44 pm

DanielCC wrote:

Does not the term 'Pro-Life' have associations with the idea of the sanctity of Life, that is Life having absolute as opposed to consequentialy relative value? Hence a general ‘Pro-Life’ position tends to imply certain stances in bioethics, warfare and legal theory re capital punishment as well as being anti-abortion.

A fair number of people take that stance, yes. It seems to me to be a deeply mistaken one, because it means they've taken "pro-life" to be a dogma of the faith and then reasoned out its implications, when this is an error.

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