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Theoretical Philosophy » Arguments Against the Simulation Theory » 5/07/2017 9:12 am

I've recently been re[color=#000000]searching quantum mechanics and digital physics, and I've come across an interesting theory that I would like to see your thoughts on.


The simulation theory is an idea formulated by some physicists and philosophers which states that we are not actually living in base reality, but in a reality that is simulated.

This simulated reality would then be a creation of entities who live in the real universe and we are living in a universe of their creation.

This theory can take on multiple forms:

1) Anthropocentric Computer Form

This version of the simulation theory proposes that we are actually living in a computer simulation made by future humans who would want to run simulations of their history and that is why we could be in a simulation

2) Non-Anthropocentric Computer Form

This formulation of the simulation theory states that we are in a computer simulation, but not one created by humans, rather, one created by extraterrestrials for unknown reasons.

This version of the theory avoids some of the objections that were put forward against the Anthropocentric Theory as well.


3) Idealistic Computer Form

This version avoids the idea we are being simulated by anything physical or computer-like at all, thus avoiding the objections that could be put forward against both of the above theories due to the physicality of the simulation.

Rather, we are being simulated either by an immaterial mind outside the universe, a mind which may or may not be the only mind of it's kind running simulations out there, or inside the brains of aliens that are so advanced they have virtually unlimited computing power inside their brains.

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Now, what objections do you think we could make against the 3 theories above, and the simulation theory in general?

I know of objections based on empirical knowledge from science, but it would be especially appreciated if any one of you could find an objection based on metaphysical and philo

Theoretical Philosophy » Quantum Idealism, Digital Physics, Classical Theism & Aristotelianism » 4/26/2017 3:40 pm

Interesting videos! I'll check them out!

But what do you guy's think of Nick Bostrom's idea that we live in a computer simulation made by humans, or alternatively when modified by some, that we are living inside a simulation made by aliens who live in a reality with fundamental physics completely incomprehensible to us that create our world?


Now one interesting reply was by mathematician Ken Wharton who goes against the idea of even calling the universe a computer even tautologically, and he also points out that the quantum uncertainty principle refutes the idea the universe is a classical computer, and appeals to Lagrangian classical physics as an alternative.

Now, I've already seen some responses to this claim, namely that since we can already create quantum effects using quantum bits or qubits in
side our own simulations, so can the potential simulators of our own reality, which means we could be living inside a simulation.

[color=#404040]Now if Ken Wharton is right, and we really cannot speak of the universe as a computer without missing out on crucial insights about reality, what does that mean about Aristotelianism?

After all, Aristotelians claim that notions of computation can in fact only be applied intelligibly in a classical teleological picture of reality, and support describing the universe in such fashion because of this, but if the computational description is in fact insufficient for all our insights into reality, what does that mean for the Aristotelian who appeals to those very notions for support of inherent natural teleology?

Does that represent a problem? Or can it be ignored or even reconciled with the Aristotelian appeal?

Now, about Bostrom's hypothesis, I am already aware of metaphysical arguments in favor of the mind being immaterial and thus unsimulable that work against his thesis, but what about a further tweeking of the theory,

Theoretical Philosophy » Quantum Idealism, Digital Physics, Classical Theism & Aristotelianism » 4/26/2017 11:01 am

Newbie here.

I recently encountered these forums and this provides a good opportunity for me to introduce a certain philosophical viewpoint that has been on my mind recently.

Namely, after viewing a few Christian apologetics videos that have to do with quantum mechanics & idealism, and then encountering classical theism, I found myself thinking whether or not these two philosophical viewpoints can be reconciled

But first, let me showcase the videos in question. These videos deal mostly with scientific evidence relating to the Measurement Problem, which entails, at least according to the videos, a type of idealism.

This specific explanation of quantum phenomenon says that all reality is actually a wave-function at it's most fundamental point. A set of probabilities if you will. And that scientific evidence shows that the human mind collapses the wave-function of matter into being a physical object. In other words, matter does not exist independent of observation.

Here are the relevant videos:








That was the first set, this is the second set by a different author, but it is also very relevant as he goes into more detail:






And this here as well is important, as it concerns the scientific evidence for idealism:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1207.5294

[color=#000000]Basically, the Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, which states that consciousness causes the collapse of the wave-function and that an objective reality independent of observation does not exist, is something which is supposedly so certain that there is an actual challenge with a monetary reward if you can prove quantum local realism.

Another interesting thing is, in the video Digit

Introductions » Hello! » 4/26/2017 10:56 am

I go by believingperpetuum, and I am simply a curious seeker wanting to research things in classical philosophy I find interesting.

I hope these forums will be useful and interesting, as I am certain they are for many other people.

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