Religion » Problem of Hell » 7/18/2016 8:07 am |
iwpoe wrote:
16. The soul that never inclines upwards is damned in the sense that he returns to life and its disorder over and over, and lest you get too deluded into thinking that, by, say, spending your life on opium you're pretty happy, you shall die and be utterly lost and return as some sort of plant or something blown about almost entirely by external forces for some untold number of generations, etc.
This is actually pretty close to how the medievals visioned hell, sans the reincarnation; Brandon over at Siris has a good post on this.
We have to remember the Aristotelian elemental sense of the word fire in this context even in Dante, if not especially in Dante; his rings of heaven, hell, and purgatory are built on Aristotelian cosmological principles, so much so, that much of Dante's work reads much like an allegorical medieval "sci-fi", as long as one is hip to the latest in 14th century Aristotelian cosmological theory.
Theoretical Philosophy » The Potential Becoming Actual Spontaneously » 7/06/2016 8:48 pm |
Tomislav Ostojich wrote:
Let X be some object that exists only potentially. Why kind of absurdities result if it becomes actual by itself without an external agent?
(No, I haven't read Aristotle because all English translations of his work are dense and annoying, even though Cicero is alleged to have once remarked that his prose is like a river of gold.)
EDIT: This should probably be moved to "Beginner's Questions." Sorry.
Well, as the ever-enlightening and absolutely unheard-of Lady Mary Shepherd pointed out, there is a problem with grounding the process of its actualization.
Consider X's transition from being potential to being actual. Now this transition is an action, and an action is something that is performed by something actual. We now ask, what performs this action? Certainly not the thing in potentiality, since that thing only potentially exists, not actually. So it must be something else besides the thing that is becoming actual; call this thing Y. Now for Y to perform the action involved in X's becoming actual is just another way of saying that Y is actualizing X. Hence, it is absurd for some X that only exists potentially to become actual without some external agent to actualize this potentiality, since this requires there to be an action, which by definition is performed by something actual, which is not performed by anything, since neither the thing in potentially, nor anything external to it can perform it. Ergo, we have our absurdity.
Chit-Chat » What is marriage? Is the Pope errant? » 7/04/2016 11:18 pm |
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
seigneur wrote:
However, in Christian terms, truth is that which is scriptural.
I think that this a Protestant position. It would be rejected by Orthodox, Catholics, and some Anglicans. At the very least, many Christians would question whether all Christian doctrines are explicitly set out in the Scripture.
There the scripture would be the measure, but they have elected dogmas to have no measure but themselves.
This view of the Bible as the Christian Koran is certainly held by many Protestants, but I don't think it is held by the Orthodox or Catholics or some Protestants. All these Christians have the greatest reverence for the Scriptures, but I don't think it is quite correct from their perspective to see the Scripture as the centre of their faith as it seems to be for many Protestants. They might note that it is Christ who is the Christian revelation, not the Scripture.
Honestly, even many non-Anglican protestants are at least ambivalent about "sola scriptura". Lutherans will often go for it when it suits them, but typically they see the rule of faith as at least having a strong probable weight; they often appeal to it, for instance, when the issue of infant baptism comes up. Similar things might be said for Methodists; Wesley himself was a high church Anglican, and quotes that famous rule of St. Vincent favorably.
Chit-Chat » E3 2016 » 6/23/2016 10:31 am |
DanielCC wrote:
Preferred Skyward Sword to Twilight Princeness.
Heretic!!!
My main beef with Skyward Sword was it's complete lack of non-cattle driving overworlds; all of the non-dungeon areas were little tracks of land that you traveled on in order to get to the dungeons, which ruined any sense of exploration.
DanielCC wrote:
Haven't enjoyed a large format Zelda game since Windwaker (which was attacked for what I always felt was one of its best features - the massive range for exploration the sailing mechanics allowed).
I like Wind Waker quite a bit; the large world was it's best feature by far, as well as the plethora of treasure to be had. It's greatest weakness was its easy battle mechanics; I swear I never even had to sweat once about fainting in that entire game.
The main reason why I'm excited about Breath of the Wild is that it will bring on this feature of WInd Waker; estimates based on preview clips have predicted that the world is about 2-3 times larger than Wind Waker's massive map, and much of that area is land instead of water.
I thought Twilight Princess was better than Wind Waker though, and I shift between Majora's Mask, Ocarina of Time, and Twilight Princess about which is my favorite one; I think it depends on my mood.
Chit-Chat » E3 2016 » 6/23/2016 9:14 am |
Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is all I'm really excited about; I'm praying that the last Miyamoto Zelda is not the meh that was Skyward Sword.
Practical Philosophy » Political Correctness: Why? » 6/17/2016 3:07 pm |
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
Alexander wrote:
My own reason has always been: Manners cost nothing.
I see no reason not to be "politically correct" in day to day conversation. Usually the phrase means little more than "not being racist or sexist", and since I do not wish to be either, I am more than happy to go along with it.
When it comes to religion, the waters get muddier. If political correctness means treating people of all creeds equally, I support it. If it means treating all creeds equally, I do not support it (and neither does anyone who really believes a creed).
Obviously there is such a thing as "political correctness gone mad", but I think this is related to political correctness as shooting up an abortion clinic is related to the pro-life movement. It's the madness people point at to discredit the larger (saner) movement.I'm not so sure. Political correctness does include just plain good manners, but it also tends to mean being overly sensitive. It means, that is, seeing racialist or sexist or whatever slights in places where they don't exist, as well as those that they do, and inflating each slight, real or imagined . Political correctness means thinking that any racialist or sexist or what have you slight is some major incident. The true political correct man sees the favoured categories of political correctness as the most important ways of dividing up reality, and the constant looking for victims and villains according to these categories as the centre of morality and politics. You only have to turn on a completely political correct TV news channel, like BBC News or CNN, and you can see they spend much of their time reporting on heroes and villains according to the political correct doctrine. Old fashioned morality and social interactions fade away and the only struggles and causes talked about are politically correct ones, except occasionally when poverty and the poor are mentioned.
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I would also add that it is not apparent to me that
Chit-Chat » Brexit » 5/08/2016 3:28 pm |
iwpoe wrote:
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
Here, it means a nation-state.
The point is that defending the decision as a merely national independence decision is beside the point (especially on the refugee issue). It's not that the EU is excessive in its authority over some internal body in some merely technical way, but that membership in the EU is hostile to the way of life as lived in the UK. So it might not be a bad idea, but casting it as a matter of institutional arrangment makes is look like a trivial burecratic issue or even some matter of say temporary financial benifit for some arbitrary group of people.
We have a similar argument in the US that is at this point merely formal that goes under the heading "state's rights". The rhetoric usually says something along the following lines: 'The federal government should not supercede the laws of the various states beyond X-bounds (whatever those may be in the context of the argument).'
The problem with the way the argument is articulated is that I don't see why I am inherently any better served by a legislature located in my state capital than I am by one located in the nation's capital. The argument better not be merely instrumental or provincial in some narrow sense.
I take it that the tacit argument is that there is some set of local units in the smaller states which are better protected or which are only properly represented in their character by the smaller state-legislature and it is the integrity of these that needs to be defended. It's just that the usual organic units by which Europeans might traditionally distinguish themselves are not very plausible in the US- the difference between a Tennesseean and a New Yoker culturally (especially a New Yorker outside manhattan) is not half as strong as the sense of distinction the Irish have from the Britions, never ming the English generally from the Germans or Greeks.)
I tend to think that a lot of the programs that get lanched nationally tend to not
…Chit-Chat » Trump is the Republican Nominee » 5/05/2016 5:23 pm |
iwpoe wrote:
Timotheos wrote:
Howard Stern
Howard doesn't run a show about politics like Rush does. In fact when he ran for office in NY- for laughs -he ran as a libertarian.
Fair. Replace the example with somebody like Ann Coulter or Karl Rove.
Chit-Chat » Trump is the Republican Nominee » 5/05/2016 1:36 pm |
Last Rites wrote:
z10 wrote:
I get the impression that most of the members here are right wing?
I'm far to the right of most of the folks I've encountered during my brief time here, though there seems to be a strong anti-abortion contingent in which I feel right at home.
Then again, I'm far to the right of most folks anywhere.
How far right are we talking here? Don't worry, as a Texan I'm almost certain that I can take it.
Right there with you in the pro-life contingent though; the main reason I'll probably have to suck it up and vote Trump will be in a desperate attempt to stop Clinton because of her Emperor Palpatine status in the pro-choice movement...
Chit-Chat » Trump is the Republican Nominee » 5/05/2016 7:38 am |
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
The rightwing-leftwing spectrum is problematic for so many reason. There is the familiar complaint that one can be on different places in the spectrum on different issues, most obviously economics and society/culture, but also things like defence, law and order, etc.
But there are wider problems. On some issues it is questionable which positions are rightwing and which positions are leftwing. For example, on foreign affairs, sometimes interventionists define themselves as rightwing and realists and non-interventionists as to the left. But it is open to question if this is the best way of seeing things - the original Tories, for example, were opposed to standing armies and foreign wars even more than their Old Whig opponents. Even on economics, where free market economics is assumed to be rightwing, many classical conservatives, from Bonald to Southey, were not enthusiastic about free markets and capitalism. They looked to a more feudal and paternalistic arrangement. It was the originally leftwing classical liberals who championed free trade and free markets.
And then there is the problem that positions don't fit easily on the political spectrum, even if you have a different spectrum for each major issue or area of politics/social thought. The issues and positions are too complex. How do you situate distributism or E.F Schumacher on the usual left-right economic spectrum for example? Here you have anti-capitalists of sorts whose alternative is hardly the sort of centralised state intervention normally associated with the left (although this is a simplification even, because anarcho-communists and libertarian socialists, as well as left-libertarians, are presumably on the left too). But I don't think you'd call them simply centrists either.
This is why I hate it when I get labeled as a right-wing conservative Republican in many conversations practically from the sheer fact that I'm an orthodox Catholic from Texas.
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