Theoretical Philosophy » Moved a few questions » 8/15/2015 10:42 am |
Has anyone of you guys heard of Christopher Martin? I was doing some web searching and found out that he has written essays's on all of the five ways. Is he a reliable source for information on them, and are his articles really for begininers if they are reliable?
Theoretical Philosophy » A Little Help with Evil » 8/14/2015 10:31 am |
@Daniel,
I won't worry too much about someone bringing up the best of possible worlds as I'm the only one in my class who most likely has bothered to research the philosophy behind God. But just in case how could a classical theist respond to the best of possible world claim?
Theoretical Philosophy » A Little Help with Evil » 8/13/2015 9:29 am |
Hey everyone,
My theory of knowledge is class is about to discuss religion and one of the videos we are going to watch is Stephen Fry's vidoe where he argues about evil. I want to be able to refute his claims during the class, and I want to see if my reason why the problem of evil fails under classical theism:
"Under classical theism God is not a moral agent. This is because under classical theism He is is pure actuality or in other words He has no potentials that need to be realized. If God were a moral agent that would imply that God only has the potential to be good, and this can only be realized with good actions, like how you and I cannot be coherently judged as good until we perform a good action, which shows we have a potential to be good that needs to be realized. But under classical theism this makes no sense as God has no potentials to be realized, and since being a moral agent involves the potentials that need to be realized, then God in this sense cannot be seen as a moral agent, and trying to use the problem of evil in this way against him is incoherent. Another reason for this is that under classical theism God does not participate in goodness like you and I do, but He is Goodness itself. In other words He is the highest standard of goodness and moral standards. If this is the case than God can not be a moral agent as being a moral agent would imply that God can be judged and is subordinate to a moral standard that is higher than Himself. But if God is goodness itself and thus the highest moral standard of goodness than this means that there is no higher standard to judge Him by as He is that highest standard. This also means that He is not subordinate to any moral standard including His own as He is that standard, which consequently means there is no moral standard or law for Him to follow, and this makes him by default not a moral agent. Trying to argue against God using the problem of evil that Stephen Fry uses is nonsensical and intellectually bank
Chit-Chat » Putting Internet Atheist in their place » 8/11/2015 11:43 am |
Yep, and the sad thing is she told she wants to major in philosophy when she goes to college. Not a good start I would say. But is there anyway we can stop this massive spread of caricatures that the gnus give Classical Theism.
Chit-Chat » Putting Internet Atheist in their place » 8/11/2015 7:52 am |
You guys are right. We should not focus on people who don't want to learn in the 1st place. But my main issue is unfortunatelty these guys are spreading more and more misinformation about Classical Theism with their videos and the general public is sadly okay with this as Dawkins books showed. A friend of mine even said before she read it that Dawkins is one of the greatest philosophers( I think every philosopher from Socrates to Antony Flew just felt disgraced when she said that, and just typing it makes me feel unclean and in need of a shower).
Theoretical Philosophy » Objection to argument from contingency » 8/08/2015 2:02 pm |
Thanks for the reccomomdation, but is it possible to read Cotter's book online like The Principles of Natural Theology as I'm currently not in the states, and I can't afford to order it overseas right now.
Theoretical Philosophy » Objection to argument from contingency » 8/08/2015 11:27 am |
Thanks for your replies, but this classical theism philosophy is really intellectually challenging. I think my problem is that I'm trying to approach these ideas from a modern viewpoint. I'm currently reading principles of natural theology, but the language is a bit hard to grasp. Afterwords I think I'm gonna start reading more about the metaphysics behind Aquinas, Avicenna, and other classical theist.
Theoretical Philosophy » Objection to argument from contingency » 8/08/2015 8:32 am |
Thanks for your responses Daniel and Jeremy, but I have another question with regards to the argument from contingency. How exactly does it work if a universe or multiverse is eternal as Aquinas says it does as does'nt contingency imply the ability to not exist in this argument, and if these things are eternal does it not mean that the thing which essentially composes them such as matter is eternal too?
Theoretical Philosophy » Objection to argument from contingency » 8/07/2015 11:37 pm |
Ok here is the link:
Theoretical Philosophy » Objection to argument from contingency » 8/07/2015 10:57 pm |
I've been browsing the web and I came across this website calles ex-apologist which claims to have refuted the argument from contingency. He claims that if there exist an infinte multiverse which is eternal than the argumemt from contingency fails as in this scenario all possible ways in which the universe could have been are realized than the multiverse could not have been different than the way it is. He also says that it is a better necessary being than God as science actually implies this multiverse. Does anyone know how to refute his claim?