Practical Philosophy » Euthanasia for organ donation » 8/11/2017 7:16 am |
RomanJoe wrote:
Wouldn't this entail, by virtue of the consequentialist moral standard, the tolerance of absolutely horrible actions? For instance, a society that has become normalized to the raising, reproduction, and killing of a small minority people to harvest organs in order to maximize the help and save thousands of others. I think this is the true issue of permitting any form of consequentialist thinking, it permits a standard of morality that is--in its total analysis--blatantly abhorrent (a sort of argument ad absurdum can easily be made against it).
I agree with you in that we don't know where to draw line which shows if the good is worth committing immoral acts. However, I don't think your reasons are convincing enough to completely disregard Consequentialism. It seems to me that in general cases and as a long-term solution, it is appropriate to follow natural law. But in certain special cases, natural law seems unconvincing and consequentialist arguments seems more appealing. (e.g. killing one person to save 20 other people ). I have to study more about Consequentialism, I guess there should be philosophers working on this important issue that you mentioned.
RomanJoe wrote:
That's a good question and I've been thinking about it a lot. If the deliberate taking of innocent human life (innocent in the sense of not immediately hostile--i.e. you aren't taking human life to defend your own) is intrinsically evil, then why should this only apply to lives other than ourselves? Do we not qualify as innocent human beings? Is not suicide a deliberate taking of a human life? I guess one could argue that the difference between suicide and the murder of an innocent other is that the former involves a degree of consent while the latter does not. But surely we can't throw morality underneath the consent standard. If this was the end-story of a moral worldview then suicide cults and cases like consensual cannibalism (a la Armin Miewes) would
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Practical Philosophy » Euthanasia for organ donation » 8/10/2017 4:22 pm |
RomanJoe wrote:
I'm wondering, would deliberately taking your own life in order to donate all your organs imply a consequentialist view of morality? If taking innocent human life is intrinsically wrong then no positive consequences can morally justify suicide. But if we admit the consequentialist view then would we have to forego the intrinsic view?
Let's assume that taking innocent human life is intrinsically wrong. In that case the only reason that you would want to commit this immorality is to do it for a greater good (assuming that you have good intention) which seems to suggest consequentialism. However, I'm not sure about the position of Kantian ethics on this special case. I hope there is someone who can respond from a Kantian point of view.
I think a consequentialist can still condemn taking innocent lives but would say that it is better to kill oneself and to save more people than to let oneself die and not save others. So in this sense, I think a consequentialist can believe in intrinsically evil actions but that does not lead to the consquentialist avoiding intrinsically evil action in every situation.
Note: I'm not sure if we can say that taking our own life intrinsically is evil. To get from taking the innocent lifes of other human beings being intrinsically evil to taking our own's life being evil is unjustified to me.
Also note that you must address God's rule in human's life to get a satisfactory (if you are a religious person) account of morality. Maybe you should take a look at Divine command theory. I think Craig is a proponent of that conception of morality.
Practical Philosophy » Euthanasia for organ donation » 8/10/2017 2:02 pm |
RomanJoe wrote:
What do you think about the possibility of euthanizing oneself to give a full body organ donation? This could potentially save several lives but would, of course, result in your death.
As far as I know, in natural law conception of morality, taking innocent lives (e.g. euthanasia) is an intrinsically evil action which cannot be justified under any circumstances (e.g. saving others' lives).
I also think that Christians are meant to put God above all things which makes the case even more tricky.
(Personally, I don't really find Natural law convincing in this and other similar cases)
Practical Philosophy » Resources on Political, Economical and Ethical philosophy » 7/22/2017 4:30 pm |
UGADawg wrote:
I'm an economist. I think the best introduction to the subject for the interested layman is Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics, which is now in it's 5th edition I believe. This is of course assuming you don't want to read through a college level principles textbook. If you're interested in anything beyond a broad introduction I can make other recommendations.
Thanks a lot. Happy to see an economist here. I just need enough information so that I can understand which economic policy I should support. Or if there is a presidential election, I would know if he is just making baseless claims and so on. Anything that can help me to be a responsible citizen is welcome. I dont mind if it is university or college text book. I will read it.
Practical Philosophy » Resources on Political, Economical and Ethical philosophy » 7/21/2017 6:15 pm |
Thanks for the replies.
@Brian. No I am not looking for something specific. Just want to be a good citizen!
Practical Philosophy » Resources on Political, Economical and Ethical philosophy » 7/05/2017 4:59 pm |
I would appreciate if anyone can recommend some introductory books on the subjects above. Basically, as a citizen I would like to have enough knowledge to support the good causes, right policies, vote for the good politicians and so on.
Religion » Role of prayer in Christian thought » 7/05/2017 2:11 am |
Jason wrote:
I agree and have been saying this all along, that He may or may not answer our prayer.
You were right about the conclusion. But the point is that since different Christian traditions might interpret the verses differently, I need reasons to accept a certain position.
Jason wrote:
This is my last attempt to answer your question on the role of prayer in the Christian thought. Not sure if there is anything else left to say on this at least on my part.
Don't worry you have done enough. I'm happy with the whole discussion.
Religion » Role of prayer in Christian thought » 7/04/2017 1:00 pm |
God being just is only one example so you could replace justice with any other attribute of God and have the same argument.
And actually there is no need for you to answer to other point (maybe except the last one), the point is God can reject your prayers if your prayer is in conflict with his other attributes or with grand scheme which is better than what you are wishing for. The bottom line, God is obliged to provide you with highest good possible which fits into his grand scheme and is not at odds with his attributes.
Religion » Role of prayer in Christian thought » 7/03/2017 4:02 am |
Jason wrote:
I am also not saying that God created us so that He may be perfect but rather that God is Perfect even if He did not create any human being because of who He is (i.e. by His Nature). There is no dependency of God's Perfection on anything other than Himself, if it was He would not be God.
Intrinsically woven into love is free will, without it there is no love let alone perfect love. If God is to have Perfect Love then treating human beings perfectly will go nowhere without God giving humans free will to choose it. God did provide a perfect environment for humans before the fall and He does so in Heaven but we need to choose it freely.
I'm sorry I had a very bad day and I was angry so could not control my feelings.
You are right in saying that God's perfectness is independent of us human beings. But it does not mean that God can treat human beings unfairly and still qualify as being just. Regarding prayers, you can argue in very simple way why God would not answer every prayer. You can say God has always the intention to provide perfectly for every single human being (since he is perfectly loving) but when it comes to practice, he also has to consider how answering this prayer fits within his grand scheme (or any other reason, e.g. God Is just so he cannot grant the prayers of sinners but still even in this case a loving God should be sad about the mere fact that some people lost their status and can no longer receive any answer for their prayers ) and that is why your prayers are not answered at all times . But still realize I am saying that since we assume God to be perfect, we also expect him to act perfectly which at least should translate to having the intention to provide perfectly for human beings. Anyway you would have to reason why God's behavior towards human beings have no implication on his perfectness. At least, on the appearance it seems that if a person mistreats you all the time,regardless of the circumstances, then he
Religion » Role of prayer in Christian thought » 7/01/2017 5:19 am |
I think the quote from Jesus actually goes against what we have been discussing but I leave it be for the time being.
Your arguments are missing the essence of my arguments. I'm not saying that God needs to create us so that he may be perfect; Rather considering that we exist, one criterion for qualifying having perfect love is that human beings must be treated perfectly!