Religion » A religious urge » 11/19/2018 9:51 pm |
"American pragmatic philosopher and psychologist William James introduced his concept of the "will to believe" in 1896. Following upon his earlier theories of truth, James argued that some religious questions can only be answered by believing in the first place: one cannot know if religious doctrines are true without seeing if they work, but they cannot be said to work unless one believes them in the first place. William James published many works on the subject of religious experience. His four key characteristics of religious experience are: 'passivity', 'ineffability', 'a noetic quality', and 'transiency'. Due to the fact that religious experience is fundamentally ineffable, it is impossible to hold a coherent discussion of it using public language. This means that religious belief cannot be discussed effectively, and so reason does not affect faith. Instead, faith is found through experience of the spiritual, and so understanding of belief is only gained through the practice of it."
However, unlike fideists I believe that the intellectual approach is very important. Humans are intellectual beings and so are wills follow our intellect. This is why when you're having an argument and you're winning the opponent often starts to cover his ears and shout over you. He knows that if he understands your point, then it's game over for the will.
If it makes you feel better, I think you're better off than the people who converted from the reformoevangelibaptist tradition. Those tend to be extremely bitter. The most acerbic and bitter atheists have invariably been (de)converts from them. What do they DO to their sheep that cause them to have such a deep hatred?
Chit-Chat » Should we update to new forum software? » 11/19/2018 8:31 pm |
This site looks bad and is on the threshold of unusable. You need new forum software badly.
I used to recommend Invision Power Board, but they recently started to become like phpBB. Phpbb is still the worst forum software available. Your only workable choice is vBulletin.
Theoretical Philosophy » Two common atheist arguments I can't answer » 11/18/2018 10:18 pm |
How do I respond to these
Me: <anything from the first five ways>
Atheist: Because you are using a philosophical argument, you have only proved that God exists as a concept. You need evidence from physics to prove that God exists in reality.
Me: If there is no God then life is meaningless.
Atheist: You can create your own meaning.
Chit-Chat » How Richard Carrier and Robert M. Price prove convertibility » 10/23/2018 12:50 pm |
The "Lovecraft is beautiful" thing is the most disturbing one on the list. Have you ever read any of his works? It's like science-fiction, except without any of the qualities that makes science-fiction redeeming.
Chit-Chat » How Richard Carrier and Robert M. Price prove convertibility » 10/22/2018 5:58 pm |
This post is only semi-facetious. Don't dismiss all of it as laughter.
Robert M. Price:
* Atheist and Christ-myther (unable to see truth).
* Hedonist and utilitarian (unable to see goodness).
* Genuinely believes that Lovecraft is hauntingly beautiful (unable to see beauty).
Richard C. Carrier:
* Invented a piece of crank mathematics in the field of probability theory, is a crank historian and thinks that green men on other planets exist (unable to see truth).
* Believes that his sudden betrayal of his wife for twenty years was good and just (unable to see goodness).
* Thinks the random shapeless squiggles and flat-faced nonsense that makes up anime is art (unable to see beauty).
Chit-Chat » What is wrong with people? » 5/11/2018 3:11 am |
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
I consider it unproven everyone who was there engaged in that chant. It was chaotic and there was far from one centre of events. Anyway, it's not relevant because you are assuming Trump actually acquainted himself with all that went on and had that specifically in mind when he made his remarks. Trump makes clumsy ill-informed
Trump said at a press conference where he made the "fine people" remark that he waited just so he could get all the facts. So yes, he did it deliberately and consciously.
And the "Unite the Right" rally was organized with White Nationalists as speakers, so no, absolutely nobody there was there just to protect a local folksy icon.
Look, if you said "I don't think people should be upset about Trump because his belief that the neonazis can be fine people is true," I would be less upset and angry at you. You would be being honest and non-hypocritical, which is that being a neonazi is simply an issue of faith like whether to eat meat or not.
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
The Hitler example is not just question begging and peurile but not a good analogy, given that Trump is very pro-Israel and we're talking about him welcoming a Jewish person into his family. I grant you Trump is a very inconsistent person, but even he is unlikely to be able to square this within himself with viewing Neo-Nazis favourably.
You missed my point. My point is that you can't use being pro-Israel and having a Jewish son-in-law as proof that he is not an antisemite because (1) antisemites can be pro-Israel (2) antisemites can have Jewish people they love, with Adolf Hitler being an example. So appealing to pro-Israel and Jewish relatives does not prove that Trump is not an antisemite.
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
The FBI based much of its investigation on a Clinton cam
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Chit-Chat » What is wrong with people? » 5/10/2018 8:00 pm |
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
Not everyone who was there and, especially, not everyone who was originally going to go was a white nationalist (who, incidentally, if we being sticklers for accuracy, aren't all Neo-Nazis).
Everyone there except for antifa eventually ended up chanting "the Jews will not replace us." Do you dispute this?
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
This is a much more plausible interpretation than that Trump, a man with a Jewish son-in-law and who is very pro-Israel
Adolf Hitler loved the Jewish doctor Eduard Bloch. What's your point?
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
Your final paragraph is just conspiratorial nonsense. Streuth! There's nothing like the ravings of fanatical anti-Trumpers to make even Trump and his hardcore supporters comparatively good. And let no one doubt anymore, that the left can be just as conspiratorial and silly as the right. Come on, there's lots of valid things to criticise Trump over, like the fact he's a compulsive liar with little decorum or loyalty. But we can safely discount the idea he was the one behind the grassy knoll, or whatever conspiracy #resistance come up with next.
Collusion with Russia cannot be a conspiracy if the F.B.I. considers it probable enough to investigate. So this is false. And that Trump treated Puerto Rico differently from how he would treat Eastern Pennsylvania is proven by the fact that PR experienced the longest blackout in modern history. Because there was injustice in giving out resources, therefore every death in PR counts as death by depraved indifference.
…Chit-Chat » What is wrong with people? » 5/10/2018 6:18 pm |
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
I can't stand Trump, but you'd help your case if you didn't commit blatant fallacies, like switching the term protestors for Neo-Nazis. The events in Charlottesville are murky, but it was originally going to be a broader based event, and not one populated only by white supremacists. It goes without saying, if you turn up at a protest and there is a large, obviously racialist component, you should leave.... But things were chaotic. It seems much more plausible that Trump was talking about non-white supremacists.
Everyone at the protest was shouting "the Jews will not replace us." There is no "essence of antifascism" that allows one to shout such a thing and mysteriously remain non-fascist because reasons. The moment you shout that sincerely (i.e. not ironically or out of sarcasm), you become a neonazi at that very moment. End of discussion.
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
And that seems to be what happened.Other protesters either didn't turn up or left.
The "mighty fine people" Trump was referring to were the people who remained at the protest, not the ones that left.
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
Trump is many things, but I see no reason to think he is a white supremacist. The man is an idiot, not a Nazi.
If a direct confession that neonazis are fine people doesn't make you believe Trump is a white supremacist, then what kind of evidence will?!?!?!?
Jeremy Taylor wrote:
Fanatical Trump supporters are bad, but so are hysterical Trump haters. There's so much to actually criticise him on - like his selection of the reprehensible Bolton or the fact he makes even Hillary seem honest and sincere - but many left-liberals seem to need to make silly or paranoid criticisms instead.
This is the third most evil thing he has done. The first is murder by depraved indifference of Puerto Ricans and the second is committing treason against the United States by colluding with Russia.
…Chit-Chat » What is wrong with people? » 5/09/2018 11:33 pm |
Trump apologist I honestly don't understand why people are getting so upset about Trump.
Trump Some neo-Nazis are mighty fine people.
Trump apologist ...even though he said that, I still honestly don't understand why people are so upset about Trump.
What is wrong with you? Seriously, what is wrong with your soul? Do you seriously have trouble understanding how people are mad?
WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT YOU THAT YOU AREN'T MAD? Your lack of anger speaks volumes too. I'll tell you what you're telling me. You're telling me that you ARE, in fact, one of those "mighty fine people" who is also a Neo-Nazi.
Theoretical Philosophy » The Accidental Property Objection to Divine Simplicity » 9/06/2016 11:02 pm |
Listen to the central claim of modal concordism: possible worlds actually exist. But then they're not merely possible world's anymore.