Religion » Traditionalism » 4/15/2017 12:43 pm |
Jeremy,
You name a number of figures you have been on my to-read list for a while. The reason I did not mention Schuon is because I have never been able to enjoy his writings. A number of respectable people have told me to keep trying with him, but for whatever reason I find him to be much less satisfying than Guenon.
I don't think what I'm about to say is completely accurate, but it seems to me almost like Guenon, Schuon, and Evola (those being perhaps the 3 most popular) start from the same basic idea, but all view themselves differently. Guenon seems to be interested in pure metaphysics, as far as possible, and thus views himself as a genuine intellectual or Brahmin. Evola seems to be interested ultimately in the metaphysical as it is applied to the temporal, and thus views himself as a warrior or Kshatriya. Schuon, especially at the end of his life seems to view himself as a prophet or an avatar or something, and I have always found this very weird. Like I said, this is not completely accurate, but I don't think it is dishonest either. Does this seem a fair characterization?
I also am sympathetic to the Platonist position, influence by Hermeticism. I am curious if any of the Christians or more traditional Thomists have any strong feelings about these figures, seeing as they, especially Guenon, speak openly and positively of Thomas Aquinas quite often as an authentic source of wisdom for Western civilization.
Religion » Traditionalism » 4/11/2017 8:39 pm |
Hey,
Does anyone on this forum have strong opinions about the so-called Traditionalists--Rene Guenon, S. H. Nasr, Wolfgang Smith, Julius Evola, Ananda or Rama Coomaraswamy...
I say so-called, because none of them really liked that name, as it appears to imply a sentimental attitude towards what came previously, which is not what they advocate.
I personally love Rene Guenon and have been reading through some of his books, and was curious what others thought.
Theoretical Philosophy » The pure actuality of the first mover » 4/11/2017 8:27 pm |
I'm not sure if saying something has potential "that it could never advance towards in reality, but still could still possess in some abstract sense" makes sense. If some state can't ever be actualized, then it is not, by definition, potentially actual, or more simply, you are not talking about potential. So I think to ask your question, you would have to ask, why the unmoved mover is partly actualized and partly potential. If this is what you are asking, then either 1) you aren't talking about the unmoved mover, or 2) GeorgiusThomas' answer would apply here.
Let me know if I misunderstood your question, or skipped over something.
Religion » Islam » 8/09/2016 12:52 pm |
Perhaps either one of these books would serve your purposes. The first is a little old, but both authors are wonderful scholars. (I have not read either one, but I hear good things about both.)
History of Islamic Philosophy by Henry Corbin.
and
Islamic Philosophy From Its Origin to the Present: Philosophy in the Land of Prophecy by S.H. Nasr.
Hope that helps. By the Way, Nasr has a lot of wonderful essays and interviews and things of that nature about Islam and Islamic philosophy that are floating around the internet for free.
Chit-Chat » Trump is the Republican Nominee » 5/10/2016 11:46 am |
iwpoe wrote:
Brian wrote:
Trump is a businessman. That's argument enough against him, or at least it should be.
Why? You prefer the proxy oligarchy we have now?
Why? Because the life-long pursuit of money is shallow and pathetic. Americans are already obsessed with the idea that wealth is the natural goal of life which is one of the reasons are popular "culture" is so ridiculous. Electing someone who has done an overwhelmingly good job at pursuing wealth is not likely to make our nation great again.
Do I prefer Trump to the proxy oligarchy we have now? Yes, but that is like saying I prefer drinking bleach to drinking sulfuric acid. I am not going to do either one. One being "better" that the other, is barely relevant in this situation.
Chit-Chat » Trump is the Republican Nominee » 5/06/2016 6:01 pm |
Last Rites wrote:
American elections aren't a matter of voting for "your guy" but rather against "their guy." To look at it any other way is to conclude never to vote.
That seems like the most reasonable option.
Chit-Chat » Trump is the Republican Nominee » 5/06/2016 10:52 am |
iwpoe wrote:
Re his lack of accountability:
Politics is theater. Every presidential candidate I have ever known has said either flatly false or grossly simplified or dressed up things for the sake of audience appeal. Have we forgotten Palin's "paling around with terrorists" lines? Trump's prime sin seems to me to be foregrounding the theater qua theater.
The idea that he actually lacks impulse control on a general level (as opposed to sexually) is not particularly plausible. His educational and business credentials clearly show his ability at organisational control is quite competent. Indeed, even these verbal "lapses" seem carefully calculated for particular appeal and effect. I've known Trump as an excellent improve talent since the 90s, and it is not a matter of *merely* saying anything.
Right, the difference between the populist and most democratic politicians is one of degree, not kind. But the degrees are not unimportant. And even if politics has always been theatre, that doesn't mean we should accept any actor who entertains us. Trump is a businessman. That's argument enough against him, or at least it should be.
iwpoe wrote:
Re his abortion beliefs:
I am not firmly against abortion because I am not fully convinced that the personhood arguments are decisive, so forgive me for any callousness, but does it ultimately matter whether he really *believes* it or not? What matters for a head of state is not belief but action. If he makes the correct actions, what's it to you if he does it for reasons of conviction or for reasons of alliances.
I am also not fully against abortion, but you cant trust someone who only acts to appease his supporters. What he will do in the future is completely and radically unknown because he has no principles. If being pro-abortion meant winning the election, he'd restaff and flip in a heartbeat.
It also seems like the head of state should be more than a temporary office holder. To some degree he should b
Chit-Chat » Trump is the Republican Nominee » 5/06/2016 9:15 am |
Greg wrote:
I'm in agreement with Poe that some of the worst things attributed to him are a bit overblown. For instance, he's often paraphrased as having said that "Mexican immigrants are rapists" or "All Mexican immigrants are rapists"--but he said "in some cases" they are rapists. I don't know if any significant number of them are rapists, and I think he is pandering to a base audience, and I am sure he doesn't care how many really are rapists, but the general claim wasn't one that he made.
What bothers me most of all about Trump, and the reason I could never vote for him, is the complete transparency with which he lies and gets away with lying. I saw a segment with Bill O'Reilly trying to convince Charles Krauthammer to vote for Trump. They were discussing Trump's purveying of the rumor that Ted Cruz's father was involved in the assassination of JFK. And O'Reilly admitted that Trump probably didn't believe it. But he said it, stirring up a firestorm that hurt Cruz more than him. Trump is unaccountable de facto for what he says, in a way that no other politician is. And that is a terrible quality to have in someone who lacks impulse control.
His rhetorical style is connected with his lack of accountability. People see him as speaking truths that others are afraid of. If he slips up and says something untrue, you can't blame him because he's speaking from the heart or some other nonsense. Anytime the uneducated masses claim they found someone proclaiming the truth, the fact is that the truth is being vastly oversimplified so that the people have something to hoot and holler about. Like Poe said, Trump's policies mean exactly nothing, because he's a populist. The only thing he's dedicated to is his own honor, and that is extraordinarily dangerous. In my opinion it is at least as dangerous as having a progressive liberal like Hilary or Sanders in office, although in a different way.
…Practical Philosophy » Virtue Ethics » 5/05/2016 3:27 pm |
DanielCC wrote:
Why should one want to be a human being?
Well, presumably because you are a human being. Really, you shouldn't want to be a human being, you should want to be good, but since the good manifests itself differently for different brings, you should realize that for you, a human being, the good will necessarily look like a human good. This would mean becoming good at himan things like thinking and being just, not squirrel things like collecting nuts or bear things like hibernating.
Perhaps I'm understanding you incorrectly, but being human is not in any way up to us. It is a matter of fate, and not being able to accept fate is a problem of hubris.
Practical Philosophy » Virtue Ethics » 5/05/2016 10:12 am |
Greg wrote:
I suppose I subscribe to a form of natural law theory, which might be thought of as distinct from virtue ethics (or else a kind of virtue ethics). Natural law theorists tend to think that virtue is an important component of ethics, but, in the following sense, they do not think they are central or fundamental. That is, you should be good, and you can only be good by acting well. You act well by acting in accordance with the principles of natural law, which specify the goods toward which human inclinations tend. (The brunt of the work is in showing what it means to act "in accordance with" the principles of natural law, as well as what the principles of natural law are.) If you have been habituated well, or if you act well, you might become virtuous and will habitually aim at the good. Contemporary virtue ethicists tend to emphasize that virtue gives you these dispositions to perceive what is good in a situation and act on that basis, if you have virtue, even though you won't necessarily be able to give a studied explanation of why you did what you did. They tend to like the "situational" and unsystematic component of virtue. Natural law theorists tend to think that virtue does play this role and for that reason is important in man's aiming at the good, but they want to give a more direct analysis of the good.
Partially this is just difference in emphasis; strictly, natural law theorists might be virtue ethicists of a sort (though many virtue ethicists would reject the "natural lawyer" label). But it isn't entirely a matter of emphasis, since there are disagreements as to how systematic Aristotle thinks ethics can be.
The relationship between virtue and natural law is certainly interesting. Perhaps, if one views virtue as a moral state that produces the disposition in one to act habitually in a certain good way, one could say that a proper virtue is one which produces the disposition to act habitually in line with natural law. I don't
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