Classical Theism, Philosophy, and Religion Forum / 2016 US Presidential Election

**Posted by Timotheos** 11/07/2016 3:46 pm

So I'm interested in what you guys think about who will win. I suspect, but by no means predict, a Trump win; Clinton has got the edge by any conventional measure, but it's a pretty weak one, and would almost definitely collapse like a house of cards if she looses either Pennsylvania or Michigan. New Hampshire is a toss-up as well, and if Trump grabs that and can pick-off either Nevada, Colorado, or New Mexico, he's got a strong chance of winning.

I also suspect that the silent Trump supporter is a real phenomenon with a non-nominal strength, which, if my suspicion turns out to be vindicated, will almost certainly give Trump the election. Again, this is not really a prediction, just my suspicion, so I could quite easily wrong here.

The momentum going into the election seemed to me to be clearly on Trump's side until last night, when Comey closed, yet again, the FBI case that he re-opened a little over a week before. That seems like it could very well save Clinton from loosing her edge, and might even give her the momentum in the final hours of voting. I'm not entirely sure however, since I'm not so sure people trust the FBI Director at this point, and I don't know if people are going to actually hear the news that the investigation of Clinton's e-mails is over in time for it to affect their choice.

What do you guys think about all of this?

Finally, as a for the record sort of point, on the off-chance that the election goes to the almost assuredly Republican House, Trump will probably win (although McMullian might be able to stage a coup there if he is able to snatch Utah); Clinton basically has no chance if it gets to that point.

**Posted by AKG** 11/07/2016 4:31 pm

If Trump wins I'm burning my US passport(I probably won't be allowed back in anyway) and applying for permanent Canadian citizenship. I may not like Hilary but in my view she's a lesser evil than Trump. The guy's an absolute terror.

**Posted by iwpoe** 11/07/2016 4:42 pm

I prefer a Trump Victory, but suspect that Hillary will win and continue on the last 40 years of failed pay-to-play politics.

**Posted by Jeremy Taylor** 11/07/2016 7:34 pm

It is hard to say, but I think Clinton must still be the favourite. They're both terrible. Trump is probably just about worse as a candidate/person (though only just), but Hillary probably has worse policies.

**Posted by Jean65** 11/08/2016 11:28 am

I suspect Hillary will win. I think they're both terrible but I slightly prefer Trump. Clinton's hostility to Russia combined with the agressivity of NATO against Russia is frightening me.

**Posted by Greg** 11/08/2016 4:30 pm

If I were to put money down, I would put it down on Clinton.

**Posted by Timotheos** 11/09/2016 1:09 am

So it appears that, unless something crazy happens, Trump will become President of the United States come January...

And just like that, Ding Dong the Witch is dead!

I'm happy my suspicion was [almost certainly] right, and that we dodged the Clinton bullet. Now we just have to live through the Presidency of King Jackson II, and perhaps we'll get a little John Tyler thrown in the mix too. Here's hoping to the complete and utter destruction of the bohemian Washington bourgeoisie! Maybe Trump might even follow Jackson's lead in a couple of years and break the National Bank (i.e the Federal Reserve). That might be interesting, although I don't know if it will turn out so well.

**Posted by iwpoe** 11/09/2016 2:27 am

Yes, it looks extremely likely that Clinton has lost. I am hoping that this makes it possible to reboot politics. The left has been lost for over 30 years and the last great representative of that era in the US has fallen. The Republicans have given up on the era of Reagan and started over with something very different. I want to see what comes with it.

**Posted by Mysterious Brony** 11/09/2016 2:39 am

He already did and the Republicans dominate the House and Senate: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=active&q=US+election+results&oi=ddle&hl=en&eob=enn/p//1/0///////////

**Posted by seigneur** 11/09/2016 2:52 am

Congratulations, United States, for the lousiest elections ever. Certainly the lousiest campaigns. I expect the presidency to be lousy too. Hopefully, if nothing else, the era of double terms is over.

The Canadian immigration site has broken as people look to leave the US in the immediate aftermath of Donald Trump's election as the country's new president.

The official website for 'Citizenship and Immigration Canada' has stopped working, apparently because of the sheer number of people looking to emigrate to the country from south of the border.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/how-to-move-to-canada-immigration-website-crash-donald-trump-president-a7406106.html

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