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Religion » Theosophy » 12/20/2016 6:53 pm

Charlemagne
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Has anyone ever took interest in Theosophy around here? It seems to posit a sort of principle, an Absolute Infinite Omnipresent Divine Principle which is the source and substratum of all. It is the Causeless Cause and the Rootless Root of all. It is impersonal, immutable, and unconditioned. It is the “One and Only” eternal Reality. It is really beyond all definition and description but is THAT which is referred to in Hinduism as Brahman or Parabrahm, in Buddhism as Adi-Buddhi, and in the Kabbalah as Ain-Soph. It is not a Person or Being of any kind. It would be misleading and misrepresentative to speak of It as “God” since It is not any type of God. It can be better spoken of as the infinite and eternal energy and consciousness which is all and in all.  It seems to posit that it doesn't matter which abstraction you prefer, it is found within man and is something akin to a Godel statement of our universe: something which can't be fully comprehended from our hierarchical level of existence. 

However, it also seems to fight every anthropomorphic conception of the great unknowable. Theosophy would teach its adherents that animal man, the finite, having been studied for ages and found wanting in everything but animalism - he being the moral as well as physical synthesis of all the forms and beings through which he has evolved, hence beyond correction and something that must be left to time and the work of evolution - it is more profitable to turn our attention to the spiritual or inner man, the infinite and the immortal.There seems to be a conflict between classical theism and Theosophy, (Blavatsky's, in particular), but to my eye, it seems at face value quite compatible, what do you guys think? Did the Masters of Wisdom contact Blavatsky? Is Theosophy the only tool that could save civilisation from materialism? Could it be the white ray of the spectrum, and every religion only one of the seven prismatic colours?

Religion » On the materiality of Christ » 9/25/2016 4:40 pm

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for sake of argument, if God 'did' choose to set up hoops for Himself - would that be wrong?

since God is by definition the sole and final arbiter on all things moral and ethical, then the world He sets in motion for His Will and Glory would by all accounts be totally justifiable; since the only One who might Justify it is Himself, no?

Putting aside the finer details of your argument; even if everything you said about Him was true, would there be anything you could do about it other than submit?

Religion » On the materiality of Christ » 9/21/2016 8:20 pm

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It has come to my attention that some people find a problem with Christ being material and Him also being eternal. How is Christ eternally both human and Divine? And how is that reconcilable with simplicity?

 It seems we would need to cash out what it means for something to be a composite being. Since the doctrine of simplicity differs from the East and West. Both accept the doctrine of simplicity, but they understand it in very different ways. See Radde-Gallwitz' book on "The Transformation of Divine Simplicity" in the Cappadocian Fathers. Perl's "Theophany" goes into it as well. Christ is metaphysically ultimate, he's God, he doesn't change. How then can Christ acquire a human nature? Is Christ a material being in Heaven, and thus eternally in flesh?

 

Theoretical Philosophy » Aquinas' proofs and objections. » 8/11/2016 1:01 pm

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"Until Einstein developed the theory of special relativity it was hard to explain the results of the Michelson-Morley Experiment. Relativity reconciled the experimental results of the Michelson-Morley Experiment with a theory that made sense.

Unfortunately for St. Thomas, relativity means that motion is no longer a property of one thing. Motion is a property of at least two "things", the observer and the object. There can be no "unmoved mover" since all motion is now known to be relative to the observer, and not to some unmoving reference.

We have since learned that matter is continually formed as particles and antiparticles, and continually annihilated when a particle meets an antiparticle. There are no things that are caused or created by other things. Stuff only changes in form and there is nothing being "caused to exist", St. Thomas's premise here is simply irrelevant.

The remaining artifact to explain is the Big Bang: How did our universe come into existence in the first place? Is it the action of the Demiurge, the action of Abraham's God, or just the spitum of some black hole in another universe? In each case Aquinas' argument fails to answer the question: What caused the DemiUrge, God, or the black hole to exist. If the answer is simply: "but it is turtles all the way down", then what is special about the top turtle compared with all the others beneath?

There are alternative possibilities to the big bang – that the universe is resonant – going through expansion back to the big crunch, which starts it all over again; that the Big Bang theory is incorrect – our universe has no beginning; or there is some eternal guy in robes and a beard twisting the knobs of the universe machine. The point is that St. Thomas' argument has no footing in reality."

Thoughts?

Theoretical Philosophy » On animals » 6/28/2016 1:23 pm

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Hello all. I am new to the realm of classical theism, and I had a question that creeped through my mind in regards to the value we attribute to human beings above animals. To some degree, it seems obvious that humans are not animals. There is no memory, project or future attached to an animal. What is for an animal, the equivalent of the world? What projection is the animal capable of doing in the world? He lives in an environment, not in the world, unlike humans. It is your anthropomorphisation of animals here that is an inverted epistemology of life. I respect animals more, in the sense that I respect the animal as he is in all of the mystery of what it means to be an animal. I do not project my intentions, I do not project intentions at all that is, onto the animal. I dont know if a cow's will to life is as strong as mine, I do not know if the cow has moral considerations, and that is because I do not believe life to be man's monopoly. I accept my nature and I accept his. When we blindly kill men, we blindly kill the project that comes with himself, we kill the future genius of humanity. Every human is a genius in this sense, but can you say a hamster is a genius? Am I like a mosquito? Of course not.

However, this begs the question for me of  why exactly do we attribute a positive value to all of this above that of the animal when this also opened the capacity to greater suffering? One answer I've gotten was as follows : t
here is no "I" to the animal. It's a simply acknowledged fact that suffering is a bad thing, we don't like it. Obviously, there's more to it than that. Morality has always concerned itself with persons because there's an "I" to the suffering.

This also seems to cause problem to me, because  [color=#1d2129]I feel that it is discounting an animal's emotional capacity. They definitely feel fear, anger, pain, pleasure, etc. much like humans. Computers don't have feelings or co

Theoretical Philosophy » Objections to the argument from contingency » 9/30/2015 11:27 am

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 Based on our experience, the materials in the universe continued to exist, in various forms. We can therefore suppose the materials have always existed, perhaps in different forms or in unknown forms.

The argument here is supposedly that there are base structures of the material world that can be metaphysically necessary, and thus not require God. How do you argue against this?

Which books would you recommend?

Theoretical Philosophy » Objections to the argument from contingency » 9/30/2015 11:12 am

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Hey, I'm new here and I thought if anything, this post might be the best first thread since the other ones I had in mine were pretty much one-liners, and this one kinda shows where I situate myself in terms of philosophical knowledge. So, I was scrolling through the internet and reading about the argument from contingency and I found a website that "claims" to debunk it. I was wondering, what would be a thorough (or rather, your thorough) objection/rebuttal/reply to the said website? Here are the links

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Argument_from_contingency
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Infinite_regress_does_not_occur
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=The_first_cause_implies_God_exists
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Proof_by_logic
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Not_all_events_necessarily_have_causes

Introductions » Hey » 9/30/2015 11:12 am

Charlemagne
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Yes, bear with me if I am absolutely oblivious, I'll try to get through it

Introductions » Hey » 9/30/2015 11:08 am

Charlemagne
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Hello to all, I'm Charlemagne, king of the franks. Orthodox people tend to hate me cause they're not on my level and they think I ruined christendom for political reasons, but that's all calumny. In all seriousness though, I'm new to this website and pretty much an overall newb in philosophy, so I hope I'll get to learn from here  

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