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| Religion » Finding a common base to argue from regarding the Catechism » 7/14/2015 9:48 pm |
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Okay. I've no idea where all the negatives are coming from, but I posted an honest question and don't really feel comfortable with the responses I am getting, so I will just leave it at that.
This is probably the most unwelcoming forum I have ever come across.
Bye.
(edited to fix spelling)
| Religion » Finding a common base to argue from regarding the Catechism » 7/14/2015 8:50 pm |
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Scott wrote:Aquinas wrote:There are many problems with then New 1992 CCC and without listing them all, one will suffice to explain my reservations: The Protestant and like sects are ordinary means of salvation (§819)
That isn't a quotation from §819 of the CCC. In fact, a Google search for that exact sentence returns precisely one result.
Care to clarify?I was reading the article on the link you correctly post to. Obviously it is an interpretation (a correct one in my opinion) of #819 ...are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church:
| Religion » Finding a common base to argue from regarding the Catechism » 7/14/2015 8:46 pm |
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Timocrates
In all honesty, your demeanour all the way through this thread has been uncharitable, pugnacious and rather rude.
If that is the way things work around here, I think I'll go elsewhere.
| Religion » Finding a common base to argue from regarding the Catechism » 7/14/2015 8:39 pm |
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Timocrates wrote:
And as to your question about our thoughts,
As a fellow Christian I would warn you always against having "reservations" about Church authorities on the matters of their respective competence. Have reservations if a Churchman or authority thinks or believes there are Martians living on Pluto; do not have reservations about what they teach in regards to religion.
We owe Church authorities every benefit of the doubt because Christ promises us that the Church will never fail Him in this respect or regard.Sorry, but i completely disagree with you regarding these matters. I respectfully use the Arian heresy as the example and the fact that St Athanasius was very much battling against this error that had been accepted in widespread manner.
I agree with you that the Church cannot fail, but that does not believe we passively accept error.Now sometimes the things commanded by a superior are against God;
therefore, superiors are not to be obeyed in all things. -- St. Thomas
Aquinas, Supreme Doctor of the Church, Summa Theologica IIa-IIae, Q.104
| Religion » Finding a common base to argue from regarding the Catechism » 7/14/2015 8:24 pm |
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Yes, sorry I did not mean Canon Law 1984, but the New CCC of circa 1992.
My understanding of heretic is one who professes heresy and who has been baptised (ie whether in the CC or not as long as the Baptism was trintarian and otherwise correct) Therefore protestants are heretics.
Getting back to the original question, if one takes a modern or traditional view of a subject in CCC Pius V that differs to the CCCs of JPII, , then it's hard to achieve even a basis for common discussion on some matters is it not?
So what one do we rely on? It surely cannot be as simple as saying the latest.
| Religion » Finding a common base to argue from regarding the Catechism » 7/14/2015 7:14 pm |
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Hello everyone
I have been reading a few excellent discussions on here but I am concerened about the basis of shared understanding around quoting the Catechism.
What Catechism do folk referer to when quoting? Is it a matter of defaulting to the CCC 1983, if not otherwise stated?
There are many problems with then New 1992 CCC and without listing them all, one will suffice to explain my reservations: The Protestant and like sects are ordinary means of salvation (§819)
It is for me, a potential source for confusion, if folk merely erfer to the CCC without qualifying to what particular text they are referring.
Any thoughts?
Edited to correct date
| Resources » Resources » 7/14/2015 9:22 am |
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Jeremy Taylor wrote:
Here is the place to post important resources on classical, liberal and philosophic education:
One of the best introductions to the importance of the correct intellectual tools for study is Dorothy Sayers's The Lost Tools of Learning.Thank you for the link to that text. Very interesting.
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