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1/29/2016 5:46 pm  #31


Re: Feser's Articles on Islam

I'll actually take Feser's use of "liberalism", since it means more than is appropriate for it in American political discourse. But from a leftist position I disown almost every popular aspect of the American "left" as much as he does, including identity politics, nor would I call myself a liberal, since that means, essentially, a center-right economic position that isn't particularly different than anything Republicans have put forward in the last 50 years.


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1/29/2016 7:29 pm  #32


Re: Feser's Articles on Islam

It has little to do with the original topic, but I'd be interested to know what you mean when you say you are a leftist? Do you mean in economics?

 

1/29/2016 8:03 pm  #33


Re: Feser's Articles on Islam

I essentially believe Marx on capitalism, with some modifications. My main problem is that I reject orthodox political economy and the libertarian intensifications of it, which leaves me no where to go but left. However, since I'm not an economic reductionist about politics, I think a lot more things are valid than the average Marxist. For instance, I think usury laws- in the sense of laws the prevent a charge for the use of money with little respect to the productive/social prospects of the lendee -were good and should be revived in various forms. I also think that debt jubilees are useful instruments for keeping the finance sector in check.

But that said, there's a lot of people in Marxism that utterly reject identity politics for reasons that should be obvious. Your critique of their hypocrisy is one, though there are many others.

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1/30/2016 1:39 am  #34


Re: Feser's Articles on Islam

Jeremy Taylor wrote:

Well, Etzelnik was referring to a particular kind of liberal, but I would say the truth is both sides are to blame for the contemporary problems but that the Palestinians are more so. The Palestinians have been offered almost all they claim quite a few times and rejected it. The Palestinians support terrorism and Hamas. The Israelis have their share of the blame, especially in building settlements. I recognise that some of the settlements are necessary to give Israel defensible borders, but Israel has greatly increased its settlement building beyond this, and seems to use them as a punitive measure against the Palestinians. But, still, the Israelis have sought an agreement and the Palestinians have refused.

This (although I have no problem with the use of terror per se, Hamas has no sympathy from me. Once your leaders are living abroad with fat bank accounts you lose any legitimacy as a movement for national liberation).

The other thing Chomsky is very narrow minded about is the simplistic narrative that Zionism= British imperialism, despite the fact that for over half of the Mandate the British worked against Jewish immigration and expansion. Literally the only thing they've done was make a wartime promise (Balfour Declaration) that they completely reneged on (MacDonald White Paper).


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2/03/2016 9:06 pm  #35


Re: Feser's Articles on Islam

iwpoe wrote:

I essentially believe Marx on capitalism, with some modifications. My main problem is that I reject orthodox political economy and the libertarian intensifications of it, which leaves me no where to go but left. However, since I'm not an economic reductionist about politics, I think a lot more things are valid than the average Marxist. For instance, I think usury laws- in the sense of laws the prevent a charge for the use of money with little respect to the productive/social prospects of the lendee -were good and should be revived in various forms. I also think that debt jubilees are useful instruments for keeping the finance sector in check.

But that said, there's a lot of people in Marxism that utterly reject identity politics for reasons that should be obvious. Your critique of their hypocrisy is one, though there are many others.

​Interesting. I'm anti-capitalist as well. I have never been especially impressed by Marx's work though, except his business cycle theory and historical work on primitive accumulation. There are interesting, decentralist, localist, and traditionalist alternatives to both corporate-capitalism and socialism or social democracy.
 

 

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