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5/05/2016 1:36 pm  #31


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

Last Rites wrote:

z10 wrote:

I get the impression that most of the members here are right wing?

I'm far to the right of most of the folks I've encountered during my brief time here, though there seems to be a strong anti-abortion contingent in which I feel right at home. 

Then again, I'm far to the right of most folks anywhere.

How far right are we talking here? Don't worry, as a Texan I'm almost certain that I can take it.

Right there with you in the pro-life contingent though; the main reason I'll probably have to suck it up and vote Trump will be in a desperate attempt to stop Clinton because of her Emperor Palpatine status in the pro-choice movement...

 

5/05/2016 4:27 pm  #32


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

z10 wrote:

I get the impression that most of the members here are right wing?

I'm an old fashioned economic leftist (a tad left of Orwell I imagine): but since I hate the neo-liberal state (i.e. oligarcy) and have a robust sense of ethics I have more in common with intellectually sophisticated right wing people than I do "progressives" stuck in tribal identity politics.

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5/05/2016 4:32 pm  #33


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

Timotheos wrote:

Howard Stern

Howard doesn't run a show about politics like Rush does. In fact when he ran for office in NY- for laughs -he ran as a libertarian.


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It is precisely “values” that are the powerless and threadbare mask of the objectification of beings, an objectification that has become flat and devoid of background. No one dies for mere values.
~Martin Heidegger
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5/05/2016 5:23 pm  #34


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

iwpoe wrote:

Timotheos wrote:

Howard Stern

Howard doesn't run a show about politics like Rush does. In fact when he ran for office in NY- for laughs -he ran as a libertarian.

Fair. Replace the example with somebody like Ann Coulter or Karl Rove.

 

5/05/2016 5:36 pm  #35


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

I figured you were trying to give a leftist political radio host. There are none who matter. Anybody who wants a "leftist" perspective on the news can listen to NPR and the closest thing to a talk radio show proper is something like The Young Turks on YouTube. They did try to make a go of it on Sirius radio, but were unsuccessful.

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Fighting to the death "the noonday demon" of Acedia.
My Books
It is precisely “values” that are the powerless and threadbare mask of the objectification of beings, an objectification that has become flat and devoid of background. No one dies for mere values.
~Martin Heidegger
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5/06/2016 5:28 am  #36


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

Oh, wait, I forgot about Thom Hartmann. I consider him more economically respectful than the average "leftist" personality today, not that that's a high bar. His show used to be top 20 if it isn't now- a handful of slots behind Coast to Coast AM and A Prairie Home Companion.

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Fighting to the death "the noonday demon" of Acedia.
My Books
It is precisely “values” that are the powerless and threadbare mask of the objectification of beings, an objectification that has become flat and devoid of background. No one dies for mere values.
~Martin Heidegger
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5/06/2016 6:41 am  #37


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

Last Rites wrote:

Then again, I'm far to the right of most folks anywhere.

You always talk a big game, Jimmy, but then I want to take back the Sudetenland and you get all pissy.


Fighting to the death "the noonday demon" of Acedia.
My Books
It is precisely “values” that are the powerless and threadbare mask of the objectification of beings, an objectification that has become flat and devoid of background. No one dies for mere values.
~Martin Heidegger
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5/06/2016 6:59 am  #38


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

Well as an African-American Muslim, I certainty hope Trump loses because of his whole ban Muslim things, and overall racist attitude. I don't really align with any political party as I dislike in general both the far right, and the left liberals. I'll just vote for who has my best interest at heart, which is most likely Sanders. 

 

5/06/2016 7:49 am  #39


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

AKG wrote:

Well as an African-American Muslim, I certainty hope Trump loses because of his whole ban Muslim things, and overall racist attitude. I don't really align with any political party as I dislike in general both the far right, and the left liberals. I'll just vote for who has my best interest at heart, which is most likely Sanders. 

While I'm ultimately sympathetic to you against many of his policy stances. A number of things, to be fair to Trump:

1. He's not actually claimed a desire to "ban Muslims" as such but rather to implement a temporary ban on Muslim immigration until adequate tracking systems are available to combat the sort of problems seen in Europe. I take it that you aren't an immigrant.

I'm also not even sure that it would amount to a religious test rather than a national one, but Trump isn't known for policy detail.

2. His so called racism is half the time really a nationalism speciously cast as a racism by ipol idiots (as if, somehow, objecting to mass and well known illegal immigration is necessarily about race) and the rest of the time his insensitivity to the politically correct mode of speaking. I don't believe him to be a racist in any robust manner, and I reject all the so called racisms the left has been obsessed with for 40 years since giving up on actual social reform, which are really tacit non-systematic or parochial prejudices which a sane man calls rude, slips, or provincial ignorance, not a movement.

I can understand an ultimate leftist resistance to nationalism at the political level, but it has to be distinguished from racism. Just because the last major battle won by the left was against racism doesn't mean that all political battles amount to a battle against racism. Nationalism doesn't amount to the same sort of problem as racism does, for the nation is a social product that obviously need defense and advocacy in some form to function, while the race in the last forms of racism is a biological unit that is said to seek social power on the basis of inherent right.

3. Trump's entire politico-rehtorical style is improvisational. I don't know what he'll actually settle on when his audience is more general, but it's plain that he has no platform in the traditional manner and that he speaks as much for entertainment purposes as for serious purposes.

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Fighting to the death "the noonday demon" of Acedia.
My Books
It is precisely “values” that are the powerless and threadbare mask of the objectification of beings, an objectification that has become flat and devoid of background. No one dies for mere values.
~Martin Heidegger
     Thread Starter
 

5/06/2016 8:55 am  #40


Re: Trump is the Republican Nominee

I'm in agreement with Poe that some of the worst things attributed to him are a bit overblown. For instance, he's often paraphrased as having said that "Mexican immigrants are rapists" or "All Mexican immigrants are rapists"--but he said "in some cases" they are rapists. I don't know if any significant number of them are rapists, and I think he is pandering to a base audience, and I am sure he doesn't care how many really are rapists, but the general claim wasn't one that he made.

What bothers me most of all about Trump, and the reason I could never vote for him, is the complete transparency with which he lies and gets away with lying. I saw a segment with Bill O'Reilly trying to convince Charles Krauthammer to vote for Trump. They were discussing Trump's purveying of the rumor that Ted Cruz's father was involved in the assassination of JFK. And O'Reilly admitted that Trump probably didn't believe it. But he said it, stirring up a firestorm that hurt Cruz more than him. Trump is unaccountable de facto for what he says, in a way that no other politician is. And that is a terrible quality to have in someone who lacks impulse control.

 

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