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7/06/2016 4:43 pm  #1


The Potential Becoming Actual Spontaneously

Let X be some object that exists only potentially. Why kind of absurdities result if it becomes actual by itself without an external agent?

(No, I haven't read Aristotle because all English translations of his work are dense and annoying, even though Cicero is alleged to have once remarked that his prose is like a river of gold.)

EDIT: This should probably be moved to "Beginner's Questions." Sorry.

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7/06/2016 6:07 pm  #2


Re: The Potential Becoming Actual Spontaneously

Cicero had access to more of the Corpus than we do (cf. http://www.protrepticus.info/protreprecon2015i20.pdf for a reconstruction of one text he likely had in mind). Aristotle had dialogs and true essays, etc. and all we have for the most part are lecture notes.

In any case the straightforward absurdity is that potentialities have no motion of their own. They exist as concrete possibilities of the actual. Fire exists as a potentiality of wood but it would be mistaken to say it exists as an actuallity does. It doesn't exist in the wood as does say smoothness. Fire moving itself into being in the wood with no actualizing force is absurd in a way similar to the way nothing actualizing itself into something would be. In saying that it's a potentiality of wood you're telling me that what it is for fire to be is to come into being *from out of* wood in the presence of certain other actualities (heat, air, etc) and to otherwise be not anything at all but that. Its coming into being some other way means either that it wasn't a potentially at all but rather actual or else that there were further conditions of actualizing it of which you were unaware etc etc. Qua potentially it can do nothing on its own no more than potential running in a man makes a man begin to run.

Edit: What's the temptation to think this way? The mistake is essentially a misake in noun usage. Nouns are flat existenial indicators, and their gramattical place is too clumsy to indicate the mode in which a thing exists. Moreover when we give a name, even if we know better, there is a tendency to treat it not merely as if it exists, but as if it exists as an actuality, especially when describing a potentiality. Consider:

"The flamibility of wood depends upon heat."

One could hardly be blaimed for thinking that there is something much like an actuality *in* the wood which stands in an active relationship to heat, just as I presently and activly depend upon air, but this is obviously not so.

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7/06/2016 8:48 pm  #3


Re: The Potential Becoming Actual Spontaneously

Tomislav Ostojich wrote:

Let X be some object that exists only potentially. Why kind of absurdities result if it becomes actual by itself without an external agent?

(No, I haven't read Aristotle because all English translations of his work are dense and annoying, even though Cicero is alleged to have once remarked that his prose is like a river of gold.)

EDIT: This should probably be moved to "Beginner's Questions." Sorry.

Well, as the ever-enlightening and absolutely unheard-of Lady Mary Shepherd pointed out, there is a problem with grounding the process of its actualization.

Consider X's transition from being potential to being actual. Now this transition is an action, and an action is something that is performed by something actual. We now ask, what performs this action? Certainly not the thing in potentiality, since that thing only potentially exists, not actually. So it must be something else besides the thing that is becoming actual; call this thing Y. Now for Y to perform the action involved in X's becoming actual is just another way of saying that Y is actualizing X. Hence, it is absurd for some X that only exists potentially to become actual without some external agent to actualize this potentiality, since this requires there to be an action, which by definition is performed by something actual, which is not performed by anything, since neither the thing in potentially, nor anything external to it can perform it. Ergo, we have our absurdity.

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7/07/2016 10:55 am  #4


Re: The Potential Becoming Actual Spontaneously

iwpoe wrote:

What's the temptation to think this way?

Quantum mechanics.

Let's suppose we have a binary system {A, B}. The system can be entirely in state A, or entirely in state B, or in a linear combination of both states (called superposition). Sometimes, it appears that a system that is in superposition of both A and B can "collapse" for no apparent reason into one or the other state.

This seems at first to be a real nice physical model of "actuality" versus "potentiality," except for the spontaneous collapsing property.

Yes, I know that in theory, philosophy and physics are non-overlapping magisteria, but in practice, it's very difficult to clearly make out the borders.

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7/07/2016 12:43 pm  #5


Re: The Potential Becoming Actual Spontaneously

Philosophy and physics are in no respect "non-overlapping magisteria", but assuming I take your description at face value, I don't see how that entails *a potentiality* actualizing itself. After all, it is an *actual* partical in an *actual* state that collapses into some other. There are, perhaps, other causal issues, but I'm not sure that's one.

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